It is clear that DAP is against Hudud & Qisas implementation, while PAS is for its implementation.
What is still unclear is Keadilan real stand!!! Anwar Ibrahim is totally silent on this. It is not a surprise, as he is a “playsafe” supreme leader – always avoiding controversy issues.
Anwar was on the forefront on the IJN issue which is a safe issue to fight for; when there is a controversy issue he is usually missing in action.
Lim Guan Eng said that he will contact Anwar Ibrahim on this hudud implementation issue. EXPECT NO REPLY or some mumbo-jumbo statements.
Selangor MB Khalid Ibrahim in trying to explain KeAdilan stand was actually beating around the bush or obscuring the answer. It was mere political expediency to minimize the harm done by Husam Musa statement.
(PAS vice-president Datuk Husam Musa’s had made a statement that Pakatan Rakyat would have introduced hudud laws if they had formed the Government on Sept 16, 2008.)
The questions is - Do Keadilan support Hudud and Qisas – YES or NO?
What is still unclear is Keadilan real stand!!! Anwar Ibrahim is totally silent on this. It is not a surprise, as he is a “playsafe” supreme leader – always avoiding controversy issues.
Anwar was on the forefront on the IJN issue which is a safe issue to fight for; when there is a controversy issue he is usually missing in action.
Lim Guan Eng said that he will contact Anwar Ibrahim on this hudud implementation issue. EXPECT NO REPLY or some mumbo-jumbo statements.
Selangor MB Khalid Ibrahim in trying to explain KeAdilan stand was actually beating around the bush or obscuring the answer. It was mere political expediency to minimize the harm done by Husam Musa statement.
(PAS vice-president Datuk Husam Musa’s had made a statement that Pakatan Rakyat would have introduced hudud laws if they had formed the Government on Sept 16, 2008.)
The questions is - Do Keadilan support Hudud and Qisas – YES or NO?
Eventually Pakatan Rakyat hopes that this issue will be "sweep under the carpet".
P.S. Gerakan stand is clear NO HUDUD, the status quo shall not be changed.
18 comments:
"EXPECT NO REPLY or some mumbo-jumbo statement."
Ha Ha. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas and wonderful New Year
Remind me again....
What is Gerakan's stand when Ahmad Ismail was welcomed like a hero in his division's meeting despite being suspended?
What is Gerakan's stand regarding ISA being used to protect someone?
......Oh ya. I forgot. BN aka UMNO doesn't give a shit what Gerakan's stand is but instead ask Gerakan to leave BN. So if Gerakan still remain in BN, why bother with having stands at all?
Wait... HKL's classic mumbo jumbo statement that he hides behind is that this blog is biased and he doesn't wash dirty linen in public. HE ALWAYS ONLY BRING UP SAFE ISSUES IN THIS BLOG. But isn't that the smartest thing to do, so who can blame him for not committing political harakiri?
My opinion is that it is not always necessary to make a stand on everything, but only when the stand counts for something. Hudud and qisas doesn't seem likely anytime soon, so it is not that important to make a hard stand on it NOW. There are so many other more important issues presently affecting us like the ISA, fair judiciary, corruption, etc that needs urgent attention.
And of course... Blessed Christmas to everyone. Let there be peace on earth.
The same question of implementing the Hudud & Qisas was also posted to Khairy Jamaluddin during the debate that if he become the UMNO Youth Chief, will he also implement the law ?
Do you want to find out what are his answers ?
Fishhook above:
Do not be “sakit hati” about this post. Look at the bright side, possibly with this comment and similar comments about your Supreme Leader; he will come clean on this issue to state “YES” or “NO’.
LGE’s boss, Karpal Singh somewhat agreed with me when he asked The Supreme Leader to speak up (read the Star report below). Karpal Singh uses his brain to give an excellent statement, LGE should learn from him.
On ISA and Ahmad Ismail, Gerakan stands are clear, don’t cloud the issue here.
Published: Tuesday December 23, 2008 MYT 8:29:00 PM
DAP outlines objections to PAS plan for hudud laws
PETALING JAYA: The statement by Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat that PAS would implement hudud laws did not consider the political reality in the country, Karpal Singh said.
The DAP chairman said Nik Aziz, the PAS spiritual leader, also did not take into account the reasons given by DAP for objecting to the implementation of the laws in a multiracial and multilingual country like Malaysia.
“Nik Aziz has asked for reasons why we are objecting to the move. To start off, the Federal Constitution does not provide for an Islamic state from which introduction of Islamic criminal laws like hudud could follow.
“Next, PAS cannot afford to ignore the five-man unanimous decision of the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, in 1988 that the country was not an Islamic state but a secular state,” he said in a statement Tuesday.
He noted that it was Tun Salleh Abbas, who was at one time a PAS state exco member in Terengganu, who headed the five-man panel of the Supreme Court that had made that judicial pronouncement.
“The Federal Constitution is a sacred document which must be accepted and respected by everyone, including PAS.
“Its leaders, including Nik Aziz, should not defy and continuously be in contempt of it when insisting on the implementation of hudud laws in the country.
“It is wrong for PAS, for political expediency, to crave what is clearly against national interests,” he added.
Karpal said PAS should also be careful not to scuttle the smooth running of the Pakatan Rakyat alliance and reminded the party that threatening to go ahead with its plan would be counter-productive to its interests.
He also urged PKR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to speak up on the issue.
Anon above:
To know what Khairy actually said, read Sinar Daily hardcopy, transcript there.
Excerpt of transcript taken from Sinar Harian, Pg N14, 27 Dec 2008. The political discourse held at a PAS stronghold was titled, Wacana Perdana: Transformasi Politik Malaysia
Husam Musa (PAS - Pakatan Rakyat) when asked whether Pakatan Rakyat would implement "Hudud" if the Sepember 16 takeover was successful, he said - "SAYA AKAN BUAT".
Khairy Jamaluddin(UMNO - Barisan Nasional) said, "KITA JELAS, KITA TERUSKAN APA YANG ADA. ITU DASAR KERJAAN BARISAN NASIONAL"
Don't try to be self righteous when you can't practice what you preach. It's no wonder Gerakan got wiped out in Penang.
You accuse Anwar of "playsafe", but you delete comments (at least two this morning alone) which weren't even vulgur but with valid points against your views in your blog. What a hypocrite!
You call PR leaders liars, but time and time again you say Anwar is MY supreme leader despite my informing you on numerous occasions that I am not a member of any political party. So what is your excuse for spreading this lie?
Your post said "PAS vice-president Datuk Husam Musa’s had made a statement that Pakatan Rakyat would have introduced hudud laws if they had formed the Government on Sept 16, 2008)" then you quoted your source as saying "SAYA akan buat". SAYA means Husam's personal view and not of PR, so your article is flawed. You can't even get your own facts right but want to blog on it.
Lucky for you, you are not a journalist. Otherwise you'd probably be in Kamunting for your safety or worse be shot by your UMNO brethren. Both actions of which Gerakan officially oppose but UMNO doesn't give a damn what Gerakan thinks.. Hahaha!!!!!
This blogger is not playing safe, he say EXPECT NO REPLY or some mumbo-jumbo statement from Anwar. In the whole country no one dare to say only this blogger. Fishguy talk nonsense.
Dear Fishhook:
Have I ever deleted your comments _ NONE!!!!!!!!
This blog is unmoderated, therefore I reserved to delete any comments that are OUTRAGEOUS lies, etc.
You have started to use subtle lies, temporarily I allowed it, don’t go overboard.
You idolize LGE and support him blindly, by natural extension Anwar Ibrahim is LGE’s big boss because Anwar Ibrahim is the Supreme Leader of Pakatan Rakyat. I thought you would consider him your Supreme Leader.
May be, I over assume, don't be “sakit hati”. I am sorry for over assuming. Do you not trust/love/idolize this Supreme Leader of PR(Anwar Ibrahim)??????
Husam MUSA statement on Hudud –SAYA AKAN BUAT – is very clear. He is a senior PAS and Pakatan Rakyat leader. He explained PAS stand clearly.
Can you name any PAS leader that had said PAS would not implement Hudud?
I dont understand what this HKL trying to say, either he is poorly educated or just ignorant.
One thing is clear - Dap and Gerakan is against Hudud.
And Pas and UMNO is for Hudud (Umno Kelantan at least)
If you attack DAp for being with Pas, then why is Gerakan with Umno?
The worst part is Pas never dare to tell DAP to get out, but Umno has told time and time again for Gerakan to leave - but ofcourse Gerakan knows they are nothing if not for UMNO. Thats why when KTK admitted majority of grassroot wanted to leave BN, he still decided to stay put - super supreme leader hahahahahahah
Huan Masquerader above:
Do you know that HUDUD criminal law had been approved in Kelantan and gazetted in Terengganu (during PAS rule)?
The implementation of Hudud in those two states were stop by Mahathir, the leader of BN at that time thru a stern warning letter.
Wow! Great imagination there. Using YOUR line of thought, perhaps now I can understand how you idolize Khairy as your future PM* and therefore by natural extention all his UMNO bosses, which will explain why you have to be submissive to your supreme leaders.
If this blog is unmoderated, then why delete comments. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it's a typo and not another blatant lie!
Please explain in what way I have lied. All my comments are based on what you have written so how could I have lied unless you did first.
I can certainly name many other PR leaders who oppose hudud. So what Husam said is clearly his own opinion or at best PAS, and certainly cannot represent PR as a whole like you claim. So don't put words into people's mouth.
(This section deleted, give me proof Najib personally said that)
* Don't deny this. You said it right here in your blog.
Fishhook:
Forget what you yourself wrote about KJ im my blog:
Your own words was, "KJ should have a brilliant mind being a product of Oxford, and I really respect brilliant people in general because often they can really come up with ideas and angles that simple people cannot possible think of."
Remember the post was about what Tunku Abdul Rahman said, it is as followed:
Most people in their private life may have feelings and sentiments and prejudices of their own but immediately upon assuming positions of responsibility, their outlook in life automatically changes.
As soon as Dr. Mahathir became the deputy Prime Minister he knew he must put behind him all sentiments and personal feelings and must bend his mind to the will and wishes of the people if he values the peace, security, and prosperity of the country.
There should be no feelings of uneasiness as to his ability and capability to take over the all important post of Prime Minister of Malaysia.
It will be safe for all and nobody need to lose any sleep over his appointment as Prime Minister.
-Lest We Forget, Pg 184, Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra
This is what I wrote in reply to you, "My long-term choice is Khairy Jamaluddin. The most hated young man in Malaysia. He is just 32. His ambition is to be PM by 40. It is my personal opinion that if he can bend his mind to the will and wishes of the people he will be one of the most successful PM in our country."
DON'T TAKE BLOGS COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!
Again I like to state that my blog is unmoderated - for ease of commenting by readers, but I reserved to delete any comments that are OUTRAGEOUS lies, etc.
You have lied about Gerakan stand on ISA, and many issues subtlely. I had let it be.
Can you name any PAS (not DAP or ADIL)leader that had said PAS would not implement Hudud? Unless you want to lie that PAS is not part of Pakatan Rakyat.
Ketua Dewan Ulama Pas, Datuk Mohamed Daud berkata, "Kita pernah memberikan penerangan kepada DAP berhubung isu ini (HUDUD), tetapi yang faham hanya mereka yang datang, yang tidak datang tetap tidak faham. Insya-Allah selepas ini Dewan Ulama akan mengadakan kempen besar-besaran untuk memberikan penerangan mengenai hudud dan ia tambah mudah sebab kita menguasai lima negeri."
Muka Depan, UM, 29 Zulhijjah 1429
What's the reason you need to defend yourself with a long reply? I'm guessing you 'rasa pedas' or 'rasa malu" after I said you "idolised" KJ and you don't like it, right? So for the same reasons you should not be harping that I "idolised" LGE just because I think he would make a good PM. We can have our choice but that does not mean we have to idolise them.
Unmoderated means you DO NOT MODERATED. So if you want to reserve the right to delete comments for whatever reasons then it means you are moderating your blog. Moderated blogs are so common and there's no shame to it. I'm suprised you're even trying to spin your way out of this simple, clear-cut language definition issue. To me your blog is a moderated blog.
I'm clear of Gerakan's stand on ISA and have no reason to lie about it. KTK stated that it should be reviewed (not abolished). Please let me know where I have stated otherwise so that I can apologise for it. I'm just poking fun that UMNO doesn't care what Gerakan thinks anyway but Gerakan still so thick skin and want to remain in BN.
Anyway, I see all this hoohah about hudud being blown out of proportion by the BN controlled MSM only because KT by-election is coming to show that DAP and PAS has differences. PAS doesn't even want it implemented for non-muslims so I don't quite understand why non-muslims should be so terribly worried. Since Gerakan's stand is to oppose it and since you seem to know enough to even blog about it and demand people's stand on it, why then does Gerakan only oppose hudud but not syariah law, which many find unfair especially towards those who want to convert out of Islam?
Fishhook:
You said,"PAS doesn't even want it implemented for non-Muslims so I don't quite understand why non-Muslims should be so terribly worried."
Yes, it is true, the current Hudud law in Kelantan apply to Muslims only(approved but not implemented because of BN)
But you failed to understand - any non-political link Islamic clergies will tell you that implementation of HUDUD is across the board - Muslim or non-Muslims - eventually.
As I said earlier, Karpal Singh gave an excellent statement against Hudud implementation. Unfortunately, he had to compromise soon after that, due to KT by-election.
If he had STAND FIRM, DAP would have won this battle of the non-Muslims mind.
Now it is clear, DAP have no guts.
Just stop responding to fish la. How can a crony of LGE accept your views?
Except when your blog transfers to LGE, then all your posts become valid with no question.
HKL, do not waste your time with fish.
If fish likes hudud and PAS, let him like. You need not to explain to fish, he will never understand the history of hudud.
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